Friday the Hogue Hall Task Force I appointed last fall met. Seven Trustees were present or on the phone and two others sent their positions in advance. Among these Trustees were three who have been actively and regularly involved in major construction, as well as our current and former Board chairmen. In addition, restoration architects from Trivers (St. Louis) and our master planners InterDesign (Indianapolis) joined us. We considered the extensive information that has been prepared over the course of nearly six months describing the condition of Hogue Hall and the options to either remodel it or replace it. The unanimous recommendation they have made to me that I will pass on to our Trustees in May is to replace the building.
I have already shared with you the major reasons that it has seemed more and more likely this would be the best course of action. Remodeling would be more expensive and even those costs would be much more unpredictable. The 150 year-old layout would continue to limit the ways in which the building could be used for more contemporary purposes. And the terrible condition of the very bricks themselves left us wondering if even the remodeled facility would be safe and sound. Our restoration architects have told us that they have never seen a building in such poor condition. And even the techniques used in other such old buildings (Eg. the School of Journalism at Missou) might not work because of the poor condition of the hand-made bricks in Hogue.
The Board will consider this recommendation in May. Meanwhile, we will move ahead to establish a Hogue Programming Group to consider the ways in which a new Hogue Hall might be designed. We will want to accommodate the need for modern functionality (including open spaces, ADA access, updated HVAC, & technology). But we will also want to preserve as much as possible, the iconic presence of this legacy structure on our campus and in our community. The group will also consider the timing of a “decommissioning” ceremony and the phases of asbestos abatement and demolition. Alongside these efforts, the Advancement Office will undertake feasibility planning for a campaign to find the funds for this project that will likely cost approximately $8m.
These are weighty decisions, that none of us takes lightly. I have been blessed by the amazing spirit of understanding and goodwill on campus all year despite significant inconveniences. While I do not know the plans the Lord has for us in this matter, I know that they are plans to prosper us and care for us. He has done so for 116 years, and when the first use of Hogue Hall for Almira College is considered, for more than 150 years. I am sure He is in control.
The following is a link to a Hogue Hall Blog where you can interact with others about this amazing piece of history: hoguehall.greenville.edu. But if you have questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me at president@greenville.edu or call 618-664-7000. Thank you for continuing to pray.
Jim Mannoia
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I hope this site will be used for comments and questions about this important matter for our community. As the board meets to consider my recommendation I hope many of you will be praying for wisdom and sensitivity all around.
Thank you for your interest.
Jim
This is sad! It seems that most of my memories were in buildings that don’t exist anymore! It makes sense and I’m not questioning the decision, just noting that it will be missed.
As disappointed as I am to hear that the building will most likely need to be replaced, I’m sure a new and safer building will create memories for those who pass through it for another hundred years.
I know it will be very expensive ($8 Million?) to replace… So, here’s an idea: I’d sure like to own a piece of GC history. Selling off the bricks from the original building would be a great way to bring in capital that could immediately help with the cost of a new building.
I love Hogue Hall and the symbol it is. As part of a fundraiser, I would be interested in buying one of the old hand made bricks. That might an idea to consider.
It is a shame that you can not find a way to preserve Hogue Hall. What is Greenville College without this historic building on which the college was founded.
David & I are praying for wisdom for all involved in this process. We’re hopeful that all alumni who have fond memories of “Old Main” will do what they can to help transfer old traditions into new.
I just read the facebook message Pres. Mannoia relayed to the public. Considering the present condition of HH, I concur with the option of replacing the school and city landmark, even though the thought of it being demolished troubles me greatly.
It’s a bummer; I’m just sad because I’ll miss how eerie those orange-neon “candlelights” looked in the windows.
It was like All Hallows Eve on Turkey Day.
Hogue Hall, we’ll miss you.
Wow, so much is changing here at GC…
I knew many people would have feelings for a building with such a rich heritage. I have been praying for this situation recently and I really felt that to build new..for future students..would be the very best decision!! I hope others agree!!How exciting to see God make all things new!!
I am going to miss Hogue Hall. It has been an icon of Greenville College to me and to my family. I will hate to see it go as I took many classes there and cherish the fond memories, especially at graduation with the Ivy Cutting Ceremony. I hope the new building has as much meaning and charm for the next generation of GC Alumni.
I have served on the Task Force involved in making this difficult decision. All of us hoped that Hogue Hall could be saved. We discussed a “gut rehab” where the exterior would remain and we would build inside of that. However, the old and new would have to be attached and steel supports would have to be connected through those old, soft bricks. It is conceivable that we could have had an avalanche of crumbling bricks halfway through the project. After much discussion and input from professionals, we all agreed that we must re-build. We want to build something that resembles the exterior of Hogue Hall but with an interior that suits today’s needs.
Its sad to see such a historic building go. I would love for the new building to be designed from the beginning to stand for longer than its venerable predecessor.
I would also be remiss if I didn’t already ask: considering any green building options?
Many are the memories of Hogue Hall. I remember running from the Greenville FMC after morning worship to do the 12 Noon shift on WGRN. I had to get a key from the studios in the old cab building first and the unlock the main back door of HH and then run the up to the top floor to take a reading on the transmitter that was located there.
I remember my first steps up the back entrance on a hot August afternoon in 1976 as a freshman. I remember the many classes I took there.
And I pray that there will be a suitable honoring of the old building with the new building. Thanks Dr Mannoia for this update and I pray that the Lord will continue to guide and direct you and the trustees in this important project.
Although it is sad that HH will have to be replaced, I understand that the college wants to do what is best for the students. I hope that Hogue Hall II has such a great pass through like the original so that GC tradition can continue.
In regards to selling off the bricks - a fantastic idea. I would love to own one!
Let us not forget that Hogue Hall is a building- nothing more. How the GC community looks at this building is sad and reminds me of the golden calf
2 Aaron answered them, “Take off the gold earrings that your wives, your sons and your daughters are wearing, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off their earrings and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took what they handed him and made it into an idol cast in the shape of a calf, fashioning it with a tool. Then they said, “These are your gods, [b] O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.”
5 When Aaron saw this, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD.” 6 So the next day the people rose early and sacrificed burnt offerings and presented fellowship offerings. [c] Afterward they sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.
7 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt. 8 They have been quick to turn away from what I commanded them and have made themselves an idol cast in the shape of a calf. They have bowed down to it and sacrificed to it and have said, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of Egypt.’
So let’s treat this building like a building and not something greater.
As the art historian and preservationist on Greenville College’s campus the thought of removing Hogue Hall is almost more than I can fathom. Hogue Hall has graced our campus for 150 years. I walked its halls as a student, alumnus, staff, and faculty member. I’ve watched the freshman class cross through its hall for the Ivy Planting Ceremony. All three of my sons, two daughters-in-law, and I walked through its hall as graduates for the Ivy Cutting Ceremony. My son, Phil, proposed to his wife, Suzanne, on its steps because it represented the place where they met, fell in love, and decided to commit their lives to one another. My dream is that my grandchildren will some day walk through the same hall as graduates. To my family Hogue Hall represents the heart of Greenville College and has left a tremendous imprint on our hearts and minds. When I think of a symbol representing Greenville College, Hogue Hall immediately comes to mind.
Beyond the emotional attachment I have for Hogue Hall, it is my professional opinion the building has great architectural and historical significance. The building’s architectural design is a perfect example of the vernacular architecture prevalent in the United States in the 1850s. The exterior, which has retained most of its architectural integrity, is charming, stately, and grand–a true architectural treasure located in a small rural community. In addition, Hogue Hall may be one of the oldest buildings in this area, if not Illinois. Construction of the building started around 1857 by the founders of Almira College for Women, which was one of the first places of higher education for women in the United States.
As an art historian, preservationist, and Americanist, I cannot with a clear conscience support the unanimous recommendation by the task force to rebuild instead of trying to save portions of the original facade. I am not suggesting remodeling the entire building; I am suggesting that somehow portions of the facade be saved and incorporated into the new structure/design. But, as I recently stated in a poorly structured sentence to a concerned colleague, “You can’t do something with something that you can’t do something with.” My hope is that a compromise may be reached where some of the original elements will be incorporated with the new. Similar to what was done to Almira College House project of which I was a part. What I’m suggesting, from a professional viewpoint, is that we reuse as much of the facade as possible in order to save the characteristic qualities of a building that has great emotional, architectural, and historical importance to Greenville College, the community, and the State of Illinois.
My first thought was that we must do everything we can to preserve Hogue Hall. Our family has a strong history with Greenville College. My Dad and Uncle were part of the class of 1930 and my grandmother on my mother’s side attended Almira College. All of my siblings also attended Greenville as did my wife and our children. But we must face reality. Is it worth $9 million just to preserve an icon that may not serve future needs and may crumble in a few years. Greenville College is more than a building. I support the decision to build a replacement building. Perhaps some of the bricks could be used to build a reminder of the present building that could be placed somewhere on campus. More important than preserving a building is preserving the rich heritage of faith at Greenville College. We’re praying for the board and the president as they make these difficult decisions.
Ward Sussenbach
I think its a great idea to incorporate the old with the new. Thats one way to have a building that is as unique as the original. I hope and pray that a spirit of giving and peace surrounds this project.
I, too, have strong, fond memories of Hogue Hall. But for me, even stronger, are the people and relationships and spiritual growth that took place while attending GC. Change is hard. But, change is inevitable.
I respect the comments of Dr. Grimes; and my hope is that the lines and shapes of Hogue Hall can be seen in the new building. In a sense, to remind us of the past, but built on a strong foundation for the future.
My prayers are with the staff and board as they undertake this task.
As an encouragement to those whose lives are more closely associated with Hogue Hall I wanted to mention some positive things.
I remember as a child, watching the church building I had been baptized in being demolished. My Mother was the church librarian and we spent several summer afternoons that year on the third floor of the education building,..looking out the window as the church building became history.
It was a beautiful building. It had a unique architectural design, stained glass windows that made Bible stories come alive as the sun shone through,..and a real bell in the belfry which would be rung on Sunday mornings. It could hold up to 500-600 members which at that time it did very gracefully.
The Baptistry had a mural painted on the wall behind it. Whenever not in use,..a curtain or a panel hid the painting. When children or adults were Baptized,..the mural would be shown. It was a beautiful painting..done by a local painter. They kept none of those things. And what was sad for me..was that the new building looked nothing like the church that we had grown to love. It was contemporary..with wonderful music equipment and stage. It was SO different though.
My Father always thought it looked a little like a carpeted barn, but the people were the same..and it was still a place where good things happened. It would have been nice to have retained some of the same features. I think it will be GREAT if the new building is built to look very similar to the old one.!!
When the church building I described earlier was torn down..there was a CORNERSTONE.!! It was a structure where there was a large Canister in it that contained documents,..historical writings etc. about the church!. It was so fascinating to realize..all those years ago..there had been dedicated people who founded and made the church and part of what it had become in that day.
Maybe Hogue Hall will have a Cornerstone!! It is the very last piece they put in a new building..building around where it will go..then sealing it in at the very last minute.
Could there be much of the History as we received in the Calender this year put in a metal box? Could there be a brick from the original building stored or incorporated into the last bit of it.the Cornerstone..symbolic of the appreciation for those who did so much with so little.?
And lest we not forget..something to remind us all..that for the Christian..no matter what..it is Jesus who is the Cornerstone of our lives!! i think the new building needs a Cornerstone.
I live in a 3-story brick house that was built not long after Hogue Hall. It is also made of those softer bricks. I love my home, but, when we did some remodeling a couple of years ago, we saw how deteriorated the bricks were around the foundation.
I love all things historic. I don’t like to lose any old house or any old tree or anything old at all. But I don’t really care so much whether Hogue Hall stays or goes, if the GC Powers-that-Be will promise to build a new building that looks as much like the old one as possible. Maybe longer, maybe wider, but the “same” building.
I stumbled across the Greenville College website and Hogue Hall blog while doing research for another project. Reading the various comments has encouraged me to add a few of my own.
It is not difficult to see how this very old building is endeared in many hearts as it symbolizes milestones in the lives and relationships of individuals and families in the Body of Christ in the Free Methodist tradition for generations. Although I haven’t seen Hogue Hall beyond a photo on this website, I feel a sadness in reading about what seems like an inevitable decision to demolish its present unsound structure.
I couldn’t help but give pause to the “Cornerstone concept” as a way to capture the value of the old in the new. Linking the old with the new sounds challenging and exhilarating. How fitting a reminder that Christ sacrificed his life to make our deteriorated/ing ‘old man’ into a new one.
If I understand the biblical teaching correctly, this not only applies spiritually in our hearts, but also to our physical bodies which will be glorified at His second coming, and recognizable!
May old Hogue Hall live on in newness as we who are being made new in Christ take comfort in Him, our Cornerstone.
As most of my adult working life has been spent inside Hogue Hall, both as a student employee prior to graduation, and as a “regular” employee for 20+ years, one could certainly say that my life has become intimately connected with Hogue Hall. Furthermore, having Context as one of my strengths (those of you familiar with Strengths Finder will understand) gives me a strong appreciation of the history of the building and of the thousands of people who have trod its floors.
In the end, however, Hogue Hall is just a building. True, a building with a rich and long history, but just a building nontheless. What makes Greenville College special and unique is the world-wide community of those who have become connected with one another by their association with GC. Buildings and individuals have come and gone, but the Almira College/Greenville College community has flourished, continuous and unbroken, for over 150 years.
I fully support the removal of Hogue Hall and the construction of a new, modern building in its place that will serve the global GC community for the next 150 years.
I am an alumna (Class of 76), an artist by vocation and a historic preservationist by avocation. I couldn’t disagree with Paul Younker more when he says Hogue Hall is just a building. It is the physical embodiment, the heart and soul of Greenville College. It’s one-time ivy covered walls (from where the ivy for the ivy-cutting ceremony originally came) had seen some of the first, if not THE first, women college graduates in Illinois history. You may not realize the significance of Almira College, but it was built in an era when female higher education was not a popular idea; Almira was one of the first in the nation, and perhaps the first college for women in Illinois. It is certainly one of the oldest collegiate buildings left in Illinois. as well as one of the most stately and beautiful collegiate structures. We are in danger of losing some of our most important historic buildings; Greenville has lost many, but none so significant as Hogue Hall. The “Old Main” has been a part of Greenville and Bond County before there even was much of Greenville; it certainly predates most of the existing buildings in the community. It isn’t just a college building. IT IS THE COLLEGE BUILDING, the building that has put Greenville on the map for the most part for the past 150 years, and is as important to the community as it is to the college family.
I was absolutely shocked and heartsick when I heard how bad the condition of the building was (the interior has been so compromised over the years by unintended destruction of important structural elements through unfortunate or ill-advised “remodelling” going back to the 1920’s). But, I am sorry the administration didn’t see fit to let the alumni know from the very beginning what was really going on. The most any of us knew, Hogue Hall needed some major restoration work. Some of us may have had additional ideas and information that could have helped the Task Force. As they found out things, we could have been informed, so we wouldn’t feel so left out angry at how things have transpired. It just seems everyone is in such a hurry to tear the place down. There are those who have not had the history with the college that some of us older alums and many generations of alums have had. The history and tradtions embodied in Hogue Hall doesn’t seem to mean as much to them. We need time to grieve. We need time to come to terms with what is likely to happen, and we haven’t been given the time to even take it all in. It almost seems the decision has been made, and we have no say in the matter.
To me, Hogue Hall is the physical embodiment of Alma Mater, and just like finding out that Our Mother had a disease, you want to try your best to do what you can for her. You want more than just a second opinion, especially if the diagnosis is that there is no hope, and the disease is terminal; you want a fifth, sixth, tenth, hundreth opinion. Even if there is the possibility out there that there is one “physician” that knows the cure, or at least how to put the disease in remission, you want to find that one person. And money is no object.
I am still hoping there is a way to save at least the south facade (front) of Hogue Hall. I don’t think all possibilities have been fully exhausted yet. Has the college even contacted the National Trust for Historic Preservation? Hogue Hall is listed as a historic landmark. The state and federal arm of that National Park Service body should have been one of the first to be notified about the building’s condition. They might have had resources and suggestions for the Task Force. Did anyone contact Colonial Williamsburg? They have buildings older than Hogue Hall made of bricks in the same hand made way Hogue was. What do they do when their bricks fail? How do they solve the problem and still keep the integrity of the historic structure? If these questions weren’t considered, they should have been.
How about covering the south face of the building in full scaffolding, then coming behind, taking out the old mortar and replacing it with new epoxy mortar that will connect it to some sort of sheathing, perhaps man-made and even stronger than natural materials, so that the front becomes one or several big brick veneer “tiles” to which a new building could be attached? The bricks in their present condition can’t be attached to new construction in the conventional way, but there may be unconventional ways out there. OFten, people achieve the seemingly impossible by doing what they didn’t know was impossible.
If, once all the “t”s are crossed and all the “i”s dotted, there still is no hope for even preserving the front facade of Hogue, (and I have never been against constructing a new building inside or behind the existing walls or wall), then I would want to see a complete replication of Hogue Hall. With 8 million dollars, it could be done. Almira House was replicated, and Hogue is actually more important historically than even Almira House. It deserves to exist, and even if a new building were a bit wider or longer, so long as the design and proportions of the old building were preserved in the new, I could live with that. But what I don’t want to see is another boxy modern building with no charm, grace or beauty. Hogue Hall is truly a beautiful building, and visitors to Greenville remark on it when they see it. I want alumni, when they return to campus, to be able to say, when they see the new building, “There is Hogue Hall,” not “There is the building that replaced Hogue Hall.” And I hope Dr. Mannoia wouldn’t want it on his record that he was the president who tore down Hogue Hall.
After all, administrations come and go. Even Trustees come and go. But, the alumni abide forever. We are the true backbone of the college; without us it would cease to exist. And we want to see the best of Alma Mater preserved. Hogue Hall is one of those best things.
As a 1959 graduate of Greenville College - I was a bit stunned to hear of the condition of Hogue Hall and the need to rebuild. I was wondering if there will be a large Photgraph or Painting of Hogue Hall available for purchase by the “older graduates” or younger. Just a thought - and perhaps this could be a fundraiser for the new building.
I was shocked and heartsick to read that Hogue needed to be replaced.
Like one of the previous bloggers, I too ran up to the top of Hogue to record the meter readings for WGRN. In fact, I recorded the last reading taken before the station was moved to the building behind Joy Hall.
I took a ton of classes in that building, and the memories are vivid.
It’s been over 30-years since graduation, but right now, it feels like it was yesterday.
It’s not just a building - it is at the heart of what Greenville means to thousands of alumni and their families. It is heritage and it is tradition.
I took photographs throughout my 4-years at GCC and a bunch are included in my senior yearbook - and the center of most of these pictures is Hogue. I don’t think I’ve ever taken a black and white photo to rival some of those long exposures I took of Hogue at night.
It’s the physical touchstone (reference point) for a wave of warm memories and emotions.
I met my wife while at Greenville, we were married across the street - and we experienced the Ivy cutting along with all other grads in Hogue’s shadow.
Hogue is a grounding - something that connects all alumni with the past, with other grads and something that is noble and honorable and lofty.
The true legacy of Greenville College is the Kingdom work accomplished by Christ through it’s alumni. The symbol of that legacy is an old and beautiful building in the central plains of Illinois.
Yes, Hogue Hall will be missed. Yes, there are many memories of pictures on the stairs, of visits to the offices there, of a class meeting in the Tower Room — to name a few. But thank the Lord it has lasted for 150 years !! Now the time has come to be reasonable, to replace it with a structure more secure. There will always be memories of this building preserved through various means. My prayers are with the Board and with the Programming Group to plan wisely and confidently.
Thanks for passing this message on! WOW, I had no clue about this endeavor that awaits GC!! That is no small feat! In months to come, my husband and I will consider how we can help!
Thanks!
Birzi
I thank the Lord that the true condition of Hogue Hall was discovered before there was a catastrophe! I hear and feel what Kathy B is saying (hi, kathy!), and would like to see a similar ‘green’ building replace HH. I gently disagree that the spirit of GC is in any of the facilities–we are GC, just as collectively we Christians are the Church, not the buildings in which we worship. Preservation of historic buildings is a worthy endeavor, but preparing for the next century with the proper tools is also worthy. just my 2 cents.
As a Faculty Kid, from our front porch on Spruce Street I used to watch my dad walk home from his Hogue Hall office. I grew up playing Hide and Seek in and around the building, and later worked and took classes there as a GC student. I’m sentimentally tied to it, however, if the building has to go, it has to go! My recommendation is to preserve as much as possible of the salvaged materials and make a room in the building that incorporates wooden beams hewn into floor planks, bricks,doors, and windows. This room could serve as a conference room or an area for receptions, etc. If anyone has seen the Old Supreme Court chambers in the US Capitol building, they will know the special feel that room has — its marvelous history is remembered and preserved in a unique way. My prayers are with all who will make decisions and create the next “Hogue Hall” for future generations.
I was more than heartsick about the proposed demolition of Hogue Hall. I was completely disgusted. And I cannot disagree more with my fellow alumni who are saying “Oh, well, if it has to be torn down, tear it down, and too bad it has to go, it’s just a building, it’s not that important, etc.” For shame! Hogue Hall IS AN HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE — if it were not, it would not be on the National Register of Historic Places. That is NOT mere sentimentality. Kathy Brewer is right. If only for its history, it should be honored and restored if possible, not razed and thrown away like garbage (which is what the college has most unfortunately done to too many older buildings on its property, including the former Music Building). If the entire structure cannot be saved, as seems likely from what I am reading, the building can be rebuilt with a replicated facade and include green features and disabled access. I agree that some of the old parts of the building could be used, but to tuck them quietly into a small room (out of sight, out of mind) is not what I would do. If the old bricks are usable for the facade, why not use them?
I have never seen any other institution of higher learning with less respect for its architectural patrimony than Greenville. It’s absolutely embarrassing.
G.E. Colpitts
Class of 1976
Anyone who knows me knows how strongly I feel about maintaining the traditions that are integral to the character of GC. Hogue Hall was the center of my life as a student and, for the last (almost) fifteen years, my office home as a faculty member. I don’t think any of us had an inkling of how badly damaged the building was or how the events of the last few months would play out.
I’d love to see a campaign launched that might feature an online mockup of the new building with the opportunity for individuals to pay for a portion of the half a million bricks necessary–brick by brick. I trust that those who design the replacement building will do all that they can to retain the majesty and the character of “Old Main” as possible, perhaps integrating actual pieces of the original building into the new one.
I wish all alums could hear how disappointed this year’s senior class is that they will not be able to walk through the building. Despite this setback, though, everyone should know that we are doing everything possible to retain the character and traditions of ivy cutting–including the construction of an arch through which the seniors will march on the south lawn.
Please pray for them, and for all of us on campus, that God will grant wisdom and insight to those responsible as we continue to train students for lives of character and service.
I would like to add, especially to those who thought I was saying the spirit of Greenville College was Hogue Hall (hi, back, Bob C.!), that is not what I was saying. I said the PHYSICAL EMBODIMENT of the college’s heart and soul is Hogue Hall. We alumni, students, faculty, staff and administration are the soul and spirit of Greenville College. But, we can’t all stand around campus. Hogue Hall is the SYMBOL of our spirit.
I too would love to see the (hopefully) replicated Hogue Hall as a green and ADA building. Nothing about the present exterior (especially the south facade) excludes that. But if almost all of the buildings of Medieval Europe that were destroyed during WWII could be restored or replicated, then Hogue Hall can be too. I don’t think it has to be an either/or decision. We can have a building that looks just like old Hogue Hall on the outside and be entirely new an efficient on the inside. I just was wanting more respect for the historic significance of the old building, and what it symbolized. It isn’t just another building.
I haven’t heard anything contrary to preserving Hogue Hall’s features and “iconic presence”. No one has stated that the College will build a completely different looking building. I think it is a little bit unfair to assume that is what is going on. Above you’ll read these words from the president:
“But we will also want to preserve as much as possible, the iconic presence of this legacy structure on our campus and in our community.”
That says to me that the stewards of this project are committed to saving the effect that Hogue Hall has had on our campus. Let’s not assume that this symbolic building will die a quick and irreverent death. The notion that this would happen seems contrary to what we know about our school’s leadership and their commitments to the institution.
Can the exterior brick be removed and kiln-fired to harden it? Just a thought from someone that does pottery.
Short of that, I hope that every effort will be made to research grant funding from historical preservation sources and that experts who have restored buildings of similar materials and condition in the eastern part of our country be contacted for an opinion before a final decision to demolish is made.
It doesn’t seem right or proper (or maybe even legal) to demolish a building that is on the National Historical Registry.
Surely there is another way.
Reading all the comments re Hogue Hall certainly bring back many memories for me!
When I was about four years old, a young woman student from the college appeared at our door, asking if I would like to attend ‘nursery school’. I was thrilled when my mother agreed and I still remember happy days spent in the two rooms at the west end of Hogue Hall–one big room at that time. I believe Evelyn Cook, Lucy Jane King and Bobby Marston were also students.
I went on to Kindergarten in the gymnasium, taught by students of the college. Field trips to nearby farms, sliding down the gym floor on our knees and having a birthday pary in August even though my birthday is in January! My mother was surprised but equal to the task.
Roller skating around town was one of our favorite summer time activities and Hogue Hall was always a destination when it was hot and humid, as Greenville can be. We would skate under the upper level porch on the north side and enjoy the coolness and dimness of that spot.
Fast forward a few years and two of my freshman classes were held in the same rooms where I had enjoyed nursery school. At times I wished for the naps on the floor every afternoon, but neither Mrs. Wood nor Johnny Johnson would allow that!
Graduation was held in my old kindergarten site and that part of my education was complete.
I don’t think anyone has fonder memories of Hogue Hall and Greenville College than do I, however, time does sometimes bring changes that are inevitable, though painful.
I have confidence that those involved will seek the best solution and one that will best serve the students still to come.
Contrary to the thoughts of others, I don’t believe the ‘heart and soul’ of Greenville College is in the building, precious as it is to our memories. That heart and soul is in the countless people who have passed through Hogue Hall and the other buildings and who have and are, contributing to the betterment of God’s world.
I didn’t expect to write so much!
I love Greenville College because it gave me fond memories, many life-long friendships, and knowledge that has helped me grow to be a better person– not because of a building.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m sad that Hogue Hall has to be torn down, but happy that this was caught before a major tragedy occured! I have been told that bricks can be pulled out of the walls and be broken with one’s bare hands! Praise God no one had been hurt!
I too have fond memories of Hogue Hall. As many others have said, Hogue is a building and it’s our memories we cherish.
As hard as the decision-making process must be for President Mannoia - and the task force - it is clear to me they have made prayerful thought-out decisions.
I’m thankful there have been no injuries and look forward to hearing more about the NEW Hogue Hall in coming months!
la
How sad to think of Hogue Hall gone, but presently working on a campus in a building about the same time I realize the safety issues and constant cost of upkeep. I like the concept of rebuilding a green structure, technologically forward thinking, and ADA ready but using the front facade as a model for the structure to remind all of the past heritage. My father-in-law, a successful architect in Nashville, has had several similar projects that his firm has worked on, and I believe they found that the the look of the old with the new brought in donors much more readily. I would like to suggest that P.Buckley Moss be brought in to do a sketch of Hogue Hall and those prints be sold to alumni as a means of raising money toward the rebuilding. A new solar Hogue Hall could bring savings to the campus and lead the college toward a new century of stewardship of resources. Another quick money maker would be for alumni to write memories from Hogue Hall and publish this much like Still Abides the Memory. For me, sitting in Dr. Mac’s office and listening to her lecture me on why I should go on to graduate school, or sitting in the Tower Room listening to Harriet Whiteman extol why critical reading of literature was more important than reading to get a good grade are all part of the memories of Hogue Hall. I think the legacy, as alumni that we can leave to future graduates is for us to share how our Hogue Hall memories gave us the Greenville experiece that has made us the professionals we are.
Mark A. Hogan
Class of 1975
I have “heard” Hogue Hall is to begin being torn down soon!! Thurs..Friday..Sat..?!! It would be interesting to see…some have made the comment that because of the controversy..they should begin..”under cover of night”!!
Is that true?! I think former Pres. Mannoia should stay and help take the heat!! Sounds like they can use all the help they can get!!
Sorry,..I just think it is funny.. the thought of a building being taken down under cover of night!!
To my present knowledge..the schedule to begin taking down HH is Monday!! I dropped by today and talked with one of the workman. It will be sad,..but the rumor of it being done “under cover of night” ..that was priceless!!..it sounded like a WWII spy novel!!..or something from the current “JAG” airforce movies. Our library has all 5 seasons of that show so far..
Broad daylight is a bit more appropriate and Joy House seems to be having a yard sale or something..so I suppose there is still an amount of support there for the event.
I can’t believe I am missing out on the demolition of Hogue. As a former student, I can truly appreciate the sentiment and respect for tradition that this decision has generated. But it is “just a building” and unfortunately one of the things that got it on to the National Register of Historic Places is that it is really, really old. I think this ceremonial (if we make it that way) removal could be a very important step towards the future of GC while still respecting the past. New icons to be created, a new spirit of enriching and enlivening the world through the amazing things the students and alums of GC do. What might that look like? It could be a dusty old re-hash of whats already been done, a gravestone of the past, or it could be a new space that signifies Greenville’s unique place in the world, both geographically and socio/spiritually. I agree that many sacrifices of aesthetics have been made by the college for efficiency of space and cost, this could be a chance to reclaim some of the beauty Hogue provided in a way that is conscientious of the past, environmentally and structurally sound, and reflects the new spirit of GC. I love the passion and commitment of many alums who have posted here including Kathy Brewer, Dr. Sharon Grimes Phd., and a number of people from the 70’s, but when is it time to move on? I think God is saying, right now.
Although today was a sad day on Greenville College campus I was truly impressed by the work that was done. In just the little bit of time that I spent watching the crew work to take down the East Wing and Tower of Hogue Hall it was amazing to see the ease at which they did everything. From placing the bricks and wood, so that they could climb up to the correct height, to the careful execution of removing the tower. I just want to say good job and I pray that the rest of the work will go as smoothly as today.
~Katie
I recently took a walk (under cover of evening)after prayer meeting on Wed. night… around the demolished HH!! It was quite facinating,..and I was disappointed I could not have been there to see it live!!
The pictures are GREAT!! Someone had mentioned how empty the spot will look until a new building can be built. My comment to that is this. (Under cover of night) the orange fence had two or three places where you could step over it.. having been torn down by kids or people wanting to get closer. I have to admit..I carefully took advantage of one of those spots. Aren’t we ALL a little bit like children..wanting to go where it is a no go zone? Or puppies..that test their lead..when they have a huge yard to play in..however..the road looks so inviting!! I WAS careful..it reminded me of looking at the ruins of Rome in some strange way..not the same..but the feeling of history was a little the same! My point is that an unsafe building..left standing..is just asking for trouble!! A liability so to speak. And with it being in a College setting. Come on people.. When we were Freshman..I remember putting the a lighted pumpkin on Doug Schoen’s porch..and one on Dr. Wilson former..(under cover of night)..the pranks..the underwear at camp on the flag poll—YES this was a church camp!! No one else ever done anything like that?!!! I didn’t do the underwear..that was someone else..boys as I recall..but you see my point. The sooner a real safety hazard can be removed ..probably the better for all. Who knows but what some boy would dare another to go on the cat walk..or the girls..to just “see” what was on the upper floor of old HH (under cover of night) on some moonlit evening..RIGHT?!!
So,..as sad as it was to see the remains..it is for the best for all concerned…in the interest of safety- I would think.
Thanks to all those taking pictures and videos!! For many of us who wanted to be onsite witnesses but could not be, I for one, deeply appreciate the visual records which preserve and extend the historic presence and significance of HH. (Raised glasses–in the spirit of Colonel Potter’s [on M.A.S.H.] salute to his WWII comrades and then to his Korean comrades–disrespecting neither/honoring both) Here’s to the original HH!! Here’s to the new HH!
I was recently on campus and had been dreading this visit that would NOT include Hogue Hall. What I found absolutely surprised me - while I the missed the iconic presence of the stately old building, I thought the campus looked so much more open (and yes, even BETTER!) without it! I hope when Hogue is rebuilt (which it clearly needs to be), those overseeing will consider locating it on the perimeter of the campus rather than where it was - the open space in the middle creates a wonderful, collegiate, and larger campus feeling.
Many others have expressed Celeste’s observation about the opening up of campus. In fact, I’m beginning to wonder if the Fina Arts building planned for the property where the Stephens house is (across from Joy House and catty-corner from the Union), could be expanded to contain the Hogue Hall II spaces.
I echo the sentiments expressed by Mrs. Cranston and by Dr. Huston. I have spoken to many a student and some alums who have LOVED the open space. It makes the college look more majestic! I, too, wish we would consider placing the new building somewhere else–maybe up where the Bass-Mollett building is located.
I would also like to follow up and support the idea of NOT rebuilding Hogue in it’s previous location. I find that a topic of conversation daily and feel comfortable saying that is by far the majority vote of those that I have talked with. Opening up the space has significantly improved the look of campus which should be obvious for everyone to see.
I would agree with these recent posts. The openness of campus where Hogue once resided is beautiful and we should consider a different location for the new building. The new area communicates visually what we have said internally- we are an open community. Residents driving down College Avenue can now see our community in action.